An honest Gripe

[forcedj]

Originally Posted by Disgruntled82

I guess the point im trying to make is who is the Navy to tell me what I can and canjnot do when it comes to my body as long as it does not affect my job or professional apperance?

It's too bad they don't have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for tattoos.

Dan

[Disgruntled82]

Oh no I have never been knocked for my tattoos nor do I have any out of regs. Now I just got the new Bupers October 2009 cd and there is a uniform regs revision. Was their not something in their regulating size before? and I remember if it showed outside your pt gear you were in trouble. So basically since their is no regulation on it. I have free range to finish my sleeves with no consequences/ because theyre not on my neck my head my face or my scalp. Anyone disagree with this?

[Disgruntled82]

Originally Posted by scrag

Same theory applies to make up for woman.....

Your tats obviously affect the good order and discipline of the Navy and so you ought to consider being a Pirate....

Seriously the USN has been neutered. Bring on the wing nuts the stupid looking uniforms, the idiotic lack of leadership that has entrenched itself in our "We help the world" attitude that I either make fun of it or puke.

The Navy has the bulk of Nuclear Deterrent capability which means we intend to, given the order stir fry what ever group of buttheads that decided to go toe to toe with us. That includes free micro-waving of woman children (boys and girls), pets, whales, and rare inbred protected exotic BS animal species no matter what. If you are unlucky enough to be in that area you are going to become a shadow on a wall - literally.

I have no problem with that image. We are defending our Nation from the insanity that is the world and I frankly don't give a damn about what image that creates.

So ANGRY you know the Navy offers anger management


But as far as being a Pirate, as long as they issue out eyepatches Peg legs and a talking parrot Im your man

[forcedj]

Originally Posted by Disgruntled82

Anyone disagree with this?

You need to ask that question to your CoC. I will say that there is an enlisted sailor here (I'm retired Navy but a DoN contractor) that is heavily tattooed on his arms all the way down to his wrists. Unfortunately I can’t tell you if he’s been granted special permission though.

Dan

[scrag]

Your Tats are covered if they were on before the new regs. However the USN owns you lock stock and barrel and will bar you from being allowed to be an instructor or any publicity related job. They can also either have you remove newly placed tats OR refuse any extension/re-enlistment until such time as you meet the requirement. You know as well as I that we loose a number of rights when we raised out right hands to join. Unfortunatley the USN has a poor track record of changing the rules whenever we get another self rightous idiot in charge as the MCPON or CNO.

We are know about appearance - every sailor will get a warfare pin.... We are a global force for good.....No beards (the BS about "safety concerns" is crap..... We get some new stupid camo patten..... Uniforms to make sailors feel better....woman on boats isn't that nice......

TIME TO NUKE SOMEONE!!!!!!

"It is my opinion that the use of Atomic weapons on Japan removed the make-war gene from them"

[Disgruntled82]

Ah but not all of my tattoos are covered. I just hide them well. I honestly didnt mean to piss anyone off I was just looking for opinions. As far as getting my sleeves finished I have a Civilian supervisor and my closest Navy counter-part is 800 miles away. My boss doesnt care and I have 10 years in, Im halfway to my Bachelors So if something like this is going to affect my career/ Let it we only live once

[jeffersj]

Originally Posted by Disgruntled82

Ah but not all of my tattoos are covered. I just hide them well. I honestly didnt mean to piss anyone off I was just looking for opinions. As far as getting my sleeves finished I have a Civilian supervisor and my closest Navy counter-part is 800 miles away. My boss doesnt care and I have 10 years in, Im halfway to my Bachelors So if something like this is going to affect my career/ Let it we only live once

Yeah, you live only once. However, you gotta make the most of it, and sometimes that involves trade-offs. What's more important here - getting the tattoos like you want and possibly causing career issues or holding off a few years until you retire and then getting them? That's a question you have to answer for yourself as the answer is different for each person.

[jeffersj]

Originally Posted by scrag

Your Tats are covered if they were on before the new regs. However the USN owns you lock stock and barrel and will bar you from being allowed to be an instructor or any publicity related job. They can also either have you remove newly placed tats OR refuse any extension/re-enlistment until such time as you meet the requirement. You know as well as I that we loose a number of rights when we raised out right hands to join. Unfortunatley the USN has a poor track record of changing the rules whenever we get another self rightous idiot in charge as the MCPON or CNO.

We are know about appearance - every sailor will get a warfare pin.... We are a global force for good.....No beards (the BS about "safety concerns" is crap..... We get some new stupid camo patten..... Uniforms to make sailors feel better....woman on boats isn't that nice......

TIME TO NUKE SOMEONE!!!!!!

"It is my opinion that the use of Atomic weapons on Japan removed the make-war gene from them"

Not quite.

Your attention is directed to NAVADMIN 110/06 and 021/03.

NAVADMIN 021/03 specifically states "NAVY PERSONNEL WITH TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS/MUTILATION/DENTAL ORNAMENTATION THAT DO NOT MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS AND HAVE NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY WAIVED IN WRITING SHALL NOTIFY THEIR COMMANDING OFFICER, VIA THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THE RELEASE OF THIS NAVADMIN FOR SCREENING".

What that tells me if if the Sailor had the tattoo before 24 Jan. 03 AND their CO at the time had done the waiver they are covered. Otherwise, the burden is on the Sailor to have the tattoo removed. or face sanctions. Now, how strictly that has been enforced is another issue.

[Disgruntled82]

No look at the new Navy regulations on tattoos. Yes my tattoos are grandfathered. But now there is nothing from stopping me. Dont get me wrong I am a model sailor. But I believe every one of my tattoos tells a story and thats how I choose to express myself.

[smarg]

Originally Posted by Disgruntled82

Ok Im wondering how many Sailors agree with me that uniform regs should be modified to some extent on the Tattoo Policy. Throughout history tatoos have been a tradition in the Navy and it seams as years go by That the policy is getting more and more stringent. In my opinion, my tattoos do not affect my performance in my job or on the field during PT yes I agree distasteful tattoos are a problem, but the Navy is regulating size? Last time I checked this is my body and I can get from the top of my thighs to my neck to the the end of my sleeve line tattooed with whatever I want as long as it is in good taste and cannot be seen while in uniform. But honestly who are we to argue tradition. Google Navy tattoos , you will see as far back as the Navy goes tattooes are their and they go below the sleeve line on legs whole chests backs. Blah blah blah. I guess the point im trying to make is who is the Navy to tell me what I can and canjnot do when it comes to my body as long as it does not affect my job or professional apperance?

Want an honest response?

Visible tattoos are indicative of a biker trash-like, anti-authoritative mindset. So, if that's what you want, if you want people to pre-judge you before you open your mouth to speak, then you go for it. But hey, very soon BHO is going to allow open, flaming, militant homosexuality to run rampant in the military, so it all won't matter soon.

Are you ready for the Apocalypse?