Senior chief to retire in hazing investigation

[MBIVEY007]

I don’t even know where to begin with this… this disgusts me so much, and in so many ways. I guess I’ll start by saying that I am an MA currently serving in the Navy Reserve, and if I ever see anything remotely close to anything in this incident occur I WILL do something about it. These acts will not be tolerated in my Navy. Even as a Master-at-Arms Seaman, I am fully capable of taking on an E-8. It’s no use threatening me. Rank doesn’t scare me; I respect those who’ve earned it, not those who dishonor the uniform they wear. The E-8 in this incident allegedly has “connections?” If anyone dares to so blatantly and seriously break the law, violate regulation, dishonor our uniform, and, above all, treat another of God’s children so badly, then may God, himself, have mercy on him. As a Christian I have my connection. I only need one and I WILL defeat this E-8, his “connections” or any others like them. If anyone has a problem understanding this then speak up now or steer very clear of me.
As an MA I am extremely disappointed to hear something like this ever happened. We’re supposed to protect our shipmates and enforce regulation; not act like some scumbag that belongs in the brig. What makes me feel better is that there’s a lot of fine men and women out there who are doing their jobs and aren’t corrupt. I know a few, and I pray there’s many many more than I know.
I don’t understand why the Navy hasn’t done more regarding this incident and why it’s taken so long to do anything at all. Is this E-8 still at his current command, still doing his job?!? I hope not. In reading this article it seems ADM Roughead, as well as some other Navy officials are getting to the bottom of this. It’s very unfortunate that it’s taken this long.
I would also add that all the information I know on this subject has come from Navy Times, which, as with any news source, may not be perfectly accurate or unbiased. Any wrongdoing should be left to a court of law, and ultimately God, to decide. IF anyone has done these bad things in this article, then that’s what I’ve written about here, and that’s what disgusts me so much.
I’m still proud to put on my uniform; knowing that there’s many more people who honor it then the number of those who dishonor it. I also know that one day we won’t have this problem anymore; it’s only a matter of time.

MASN M.B. Ivey

[ljp]

This is why female soldiers do not need to with male soldiers on Navy ships. The area of a Navy ship is confined, and such nonsense would not occur, if women were never given a green light to enter a male Navy. Most importantly, women do not need to be in combat areas with Marines either. I mean, you do not want to have a Marine have to cover for a female who cannot protect herself and get his butt shot in the process. War is not a John Wayne movie.

Also, I do not think we should ever abandon the don't ask don't tell for gays iin the military. Well, that about sums up my conservative view point. I do think that those involved in this incident should be prosecuted. The article did not point out wheter or not it was women who were doing the torturing, but perhaps it did.

[ljp]

Oh, by the way I am not a naval recruit. But I was able to register, sorry if you had to be a recruit. I have an opinion about everything.

[ELWOODBLUZ]

First of all, contrary to what most of you think, Navy Times did not break this story. It has been circulating on the internet and news publications for over a month. It has just now reached the cover of Navy Times.

The facts of the story, and they are facts as determined by the investigation, are pretty clear and backed up by many eyewitnesses/participants, including the E-6 Reservist who blew the whistle on this whole thing when he filed the Freedom of Information Act request and contacted "Youth Radio" to go public.

What isn't clear is how this Toussaint character was able to escape with a slap on the wrist once the findings were known by the Navy. Forget the Army Colonel. This report went much higher than him.

I suspect we will eventually find Toussaint swinging from a rope or with a pistol in his mouth somewhere.

Secondly, my opinion/observation is, and I apologize in advance to all the MAs out there who know what Honor, Courage and Commitment mean, that prior to 9/11 when MAs were primarily the ship's "Cop", the ones I served with were pretty good. Since USS COLE and 9/11, about half of the Master-at-Arms that I have known or served with have been derelict dirt bags. This includes fairly young CPOs that seemingly sky-rocketed up the advancement ladder once their billets came into high demand. I am talking about E-5s to E-7s that are downright lying, cheating stealing skunks with no moral compass whatsoever. Luckily for the Navy, they came to a command where they didn't have MA-fia top cover and they were exposed for who they were and summarily jailed, separated or at least closely scrutinized such that there's little room for chicanery...but time will tell.

So I have to ask, is there a culture of "We're Above the Law" in the MA community since they became en vogue? My opinion is absolutely yes.

Originally Posted by Jason Smith

Are you kidding me. Does anyone believe in a far trial. Isn't that we are protecting and believe in. All of you are assuming these news reports as facts. We all know that you cant trust everything you read. Why don't you take it easy and let the facts tell the story. Not some one sided story. Just remember how you would want to be treated if you were accused of something. This isn't a clear cut case as you all make it out to be. Lets just take a deep breath and see how it plays out. There was an investigation in this matter and the Chief was reprimanded. It doesn't matter if you think the punishment was up to your standards. It is up to the investigating officers. News flash thats how it works. I don't agree with a lot of punishments that are dealt out but thats life.

I really don't care what angle you look at this from. If a Chief, now a senior chief, who has no legal abilities to do NJPs or Court Martial, was the highest ranking person to know of these events, which happened. Some of them deserving court martial, then by all means he is wrong for not going to his seniors to convene a court martial. Also, this article is showing the findings of an investigation so the facts in this article are true; straight from the investigation report so being quote "accused" is not the correct word here. When it is factual that this happened and he did what he did, he is not being accused but confronted. People like you are the reason these things go on with people unpunished or under punished, if you don't agree with punishment grow some balls and speak up, or are you to worried about the chief like so many in this story were. As far as a far (fair) trail, he is getting more then he deserves by the investigation. As a Chief Petty Officer he held to a higher standard, above that of a civilian, at that he should be beyond approach, steering clear of even the appearance of wrong doing. Also New Flash, this country is based off a trial by jury, as in peers as in me or my fellow sailors, who should judge him for how disgracefully he wears the uniform we also wear. I do agree life is unfair, it was unfair that the petty officer who killed herself, the sailor who was put in the dog kennel, and the many others who had to suffer through this chiefs reign, now it's time to right the wrongs to put this chief in the brig were he rightfully belongs.

[DeckApe2Guns]

Wow...I am completely beside myself with this!! Unbelievable!! Total abuse of power from that E-8 (does not deserve to be call a Chief nor Senior Chief). I am truly discussed by this E-8's actions and for a up and coming MA1 that wanted to make a change, a difference, to truly be a stand out leader, to commit suicide because of actions of some one else...disappointed in the system I am!! Deep down I wish the pain on this man, the pain that he caused so many people under him. I will trust in my military legal system will handle him appropriately and give him the exact punishment he deserves!!
God be with the MA1's family!

The Wrong Person Killed Themself. The E-8 Should Admit His Wrongs And Take His Punishment.

I Remember One Thing From My Initiation, Know Your People And Take Care Of Them.

Remember, All Things Done In The Dark Will Always Come To Light.

The E-8 Really Needs To Take A Long Look At Himself And Realize When You Make Stupid Decisions Like This, You Will Be Hung Out To Dry.

Just Follow His Discharge Coming Up Her Soon.

[quote=RETIRED REAL CHIEF;287813]The Wrong Person Killed Themself. The E-8 Should Admit His Wrongs And Take His Punishment.

I Remember One Thing From My Initiation, Know Your People And Take Care Of Them.

Remember, All Things Done In The Dark Will Always Come To Light.

The E-8 Really Needs To Take A Long Look At Himself And Realize When You Make Stupid Decisions Like This, You Will Be Hung Out To Dry.

Just Follow His Discharge Coming Up Here Soon.

Amen Brother, Who is this JR?

[jeffersj]

This story also showed up in the Washington Post the other day.

The Sailor that was booted had been picked up for the USNA Prep School. After he came out the Navy had a bit of an issue figuring out which set of rules applied - officer or enlisted (different because of the amount of money invested in training officers).

The man was forced to do menial duties while his classmates went about their daily routine before getting the boot. Also had restrictions on who he could/could not contact.

His mentor went to serve on the staff of the Supreme Commander before her time, and theE-7 that ran the unit got advanced and orders to a Special Warfare unit - if I remember correctly he is keeping a low profile. If this E-7 is guilty of the allegations, I hope that he is reduced to E-1, spends more than a little time in a military prison, and leaves with a DD, a cardboard suit, and a bus ticket to the next town.

I'm using the paygrade E-7 vice E-8 as while he was selected, that doesn't necesarily mean he's been advanced.

[Pollywog]

Wow, messed up unit indeed.

There's no problem with gambling, prostitutes and fraternization in my book though. The heavy hazing is pretty extreme though.