new NCO, new problem

[THORSHAMMER69]

I'm glad you had a good attitude about it. Attitude is everything. But I still think you need to find a way to break the cycle so to speak. Maybe not this time, but sooner or later. Sometimes your leaders will test you by pushing you and pushing you. In many cases they are just waiting for you to push back. I'm not saying you should be disrespectful or anything.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. When I picked up SSgt I had been in the same shop for about a year and I was going to be staying in the same shop for another 2 years. One day another SSgt (who was senior to me by 2 years) told me I needed to do something differently. He said it as if he were ordering me around and expected me to just bend over backwards and do what he said. I don't bend that way. I told him word for word "Thanks for the advise killer, I'll keep that in mind when I make MY decision, have a great day". Then I walked away with a smile on my face. We ended up good friends and he respected me for having the balls to stand up. Be tactful, but be assertive.

What he is doing is hazing. I know old Marines hate that term but if a Marine has to haze to lead he isn't much of a leader in the first place. It sounds to me like this young Sgt just isn't very experienced.

Damn, I didn't mean to write a book here...sorry. Either way it goes, I hope the best for you. Good luck.

[MPCpl]

I completely agree with thor's statement. Break the cycle, your ARE an NCO. A Sgt might be in charge of you but your both NCO's and you two should be able to hash out your problems privately. Sometimes it works out great.... other times you will get told to "shut the fu** up" but at least he knows how you feel about it.

[SSgtAllen3381]

I don't think it's hazing. He's "supervising" your PT session(s). If someone asks him, "hey has BUCKEYE been PT'ing?", he can say without hesitation, "yes he is, I've been supervising him since he took it upon himself to get his weight under control."

Now, seems to me the young Sgt needs to learn some Tact. I won't ever tell a Marine they are "fat" even if they are. I'll help him with his diet and exercise routines, he/she can then work on their issues with more knowledge.

I recommend a little help from SEMPERFIT and MCI's on the subject.

I think the Sgt may be trying to help you out. Some units throw you under the bus the minute a weigh in happens. They don't give a damn if you are "trying" on your own or not.

[newyorker57]

i agree with you ssgt that the sgt is trying to help my fellow corporal out in a tough love sort of way, and buckeye i think by in a sense "embarassing" you to run these PT sessions during his mcmap classes could be his way of motivating you and striving you to be as physically fit as possible(not in any way trying to say you aren't busting your butt already). my two cents to give to you buckeye, is you need to show to your sgt that your not a pushover, your working another job along with your regular duties, and you can handle all of this along with maintaining your fitness and weight because you are an NCO, and you take your responsibilities seriously. you need to show your sgt your willing to put your diet and PT on your shoulders and would take the blame fully if you slipped up on either of them. if he is the dick that you explained him to be, he should take you up on your challenge to see if you will suceed on your own or fail without him stepping in, which would solve your problem and should prove to your sgt that you can handle things on your own and deserve more respect then hes giving to you.

[Combat correspondent]

Originally Posted by THORSHAMMER69

I'm glad you had a good attitude about it. Attitude is everything.

I agree wholeheartedly. Sometimes attitude can sucker punch you in the face but you keep the right attitude and push through, you’ll be all right.

Believe me, when I lat-moved over to the AF, I ran into all sorts of hurdles to overcome. I’ll cite 1 example: While stationed in Okinawa, I had 2 stinky, nasty Airmen. Time and time again I talked to them about hygiene and they never seemed to get it. Finally, I had enough and one Saturday morning I threw on swim trunks, packed up some soap, shampoo, wash rag, boot polish and headed out the door. My wife thought I was crazy.

I pounded on one of their door and woke him up - then told him to go get his friend A1C Nasty. I brought A1C Nasty and A1C Stinky and we all crammed into Stinky's head. I got in the shower and demonstrated how they should take a shower --- starting w/ shampoo, moving onto soap --- the whole 9 yards. A1C Nasty started laughing at one point. I lost it on him and let him know we'd be doing the same thing at 0600 the next day - which we did.

Next day, Sunday, we did the same routine. And, after our shower class, we brushed teeth together. After that we ironed our cammies together. After that, we polished our boots together. Believe me, there was no smiling or laughing on Sunday.

And, until I PCSed to my next base, A1C Stinky and A1C Nasty were beacons of hygiene and had sharp uniforms and boots.

I got to tell you that this routine went over like a sack of rocks w/my AF leadership. I smiled and saluted smartly while thinking “fucking turds!” In the end, I gained their respect and only suffered some Page-11 equivalents (LOC, LORs, etc.). Though I was pissed inside, I kept strong on the outside and that attitude got me through. Now, lesson learned – I had to give in to “their” way a little bit too. I’ve since toned it down a smidgen.

I guess I got long winded too --- sorry!

[Funkymustafa]

Seems to me this guy is just being a dick to you because he can. Something like your personal legal decisions with your brother is none of his freaking business. Most people like this are perfectly content to keep riding your ass if you accept it passively until you break the cycle like THORSHAMMER said. Being tactful does not necessitate being submissive. From your description of your job schedule you have far too little free time to be also having to deal with his BS on the side.

My recommendation is to stop letting him walk all over you. Unless he is just a jackass in general and acts like this to everybody in your shop/section then he probably has some personal dislike for you which is why you are being singled. You're both NCO's and that alone should be reason enough for him not to do something as stupid as having you do extra PT in front of non rates. The bottom line is like people have already posted. Only the CO can formally order you to be placed on BCP/MAP. If this guy doesn't like it then let him howl and scream all the way to your SNCOIC. People like him tend to need a good snapping back to unf*ck themselves in any event.

[KrashKatz]

Personal Opinion: As a Sergeant, I wouldn't chew a Corporal's ass in front of a Lance Corporal or below, or do anything that I thought would be degrading. However, if said Corporal was jacked up, I'd expect the other Corporals to un**** him/her before the Sergeants had to get involved.

As far as the request mast issue, there is somewhat of a whistle blower clause. If any retaliation is taken against you, they are in violation of the request mast order which can be punished under the UCMJ.

BCP issue: The 60 day warning is gone. You can be placed on BCP anytime after an official weigh in by your CO.

[bravohotel43]

Originally Posted by KrashKatz

BCP issue: The 60 day warning is gone. You can be placed on BCP anytime after an official weigh in by your CO.

Sgt, when did this come into effect? I'd like to see it, if only to see where I messed up in giving the good corporal the information I gave him.

[jhb3043]

Originally Posted by SSgtAllen3381

Some units throw you under the bus the minute a weigh in happens. They don't give a damn if you are "trying" on your own or not.

boy ain't that the truth!!!

[CplH5811]

I know I'm a little late hear but I can somewhat see where the Sgt was coming from on this one. I am sure I'm not the only one here that has had junior Marines say that they are going to the gym and even got a few of their friends in on it. Now, the gym logs are different but, that's not the point. I think he just needed to see for himself that you're actually working at it. Everyone tends to have fluxes in their CFT and PFT preformances and he probably though that it was a fluke and wanted to make sure that you were really doing what you needed to. It sounds though that the situation has already been handled though. The important thing to remember, esspecially as an NCO, is that sometimes leaders just want to see it with their own eyes. Best of luck to you on continuing your training.