LCpl with a large problem

[BecauseISaidSo]

He is over his weight limit by 60 pounds? There is nothing you can do for him.... seriously... And your SNCOs should be mad at themselve for letting a PFC get 60 pounds over weight right in front of their eyes... I hate to say nothing constructive but yea, 60 pounds over limit is a bit too much... have fun PTing all day every day becuase he is still going to fail BCP and get launched

[Texpat]

I like the hug idea. After they repeal DADT, it'll be commonplace. Servicemen walking around holding hands like the ROKs.

Won't that be swell?

[CplH5811]

Originally Posted by Michaep

lol wow....I hope you never get in any position of leadership with that type of attitude

No wonder why theres so many Army and Marine suicides...you people cant see the "warning signs of suicide" if they bite you in the @$$

This isnt the 1950's Marine Corps where its black and white solution of Yell, or Yell More

These are real human beings youre dealing with, you realize that right?

Ever heard of Morale and Welfare of your troops? There IS life outside the Corps you know. Perhaps he's having problems at home? Think of WHY he's acting the way he is

As tight knit as Marines claim to be, you sure arent showing it with this behavior

You don't think before you type, do you? There are signs of suicide risk that we are trained to look for and obviously this Marine may not find that to be the issue. The issue is that he has a Marine that is incredibly over the weight standards and that's what I was addressing to him. But, your pansy way of justification is just a way to give that individual some weak excuse to be the way he is. Do you run around to everyone that isn't in "perfect appearance" and ask if they are going to kill themselves? I didn't think so. Now, do us all a favor and just stop talking because I hope that you aren't ever put into any type of leadership position, which includes watching over urinal cakes, with your attitude. Because if you do and you train your service members and they turn out like you, we're in big trouble.

I can see it now: "45 service members died today when they charged the enemy and tried to hug them to death. The remainders of the unit all fled and asked for their mommies."

Get a grip. There are many different reasons that people commit suicide and it's a personal choice not to ask for help. There are more than enough different resources available that every branch is supplied with and if someone is too weak not to say that they need help, that's their fault. Not everyone that's suicidal presents warning signs. So, before you sit there and try to come up with some goofy rebuttal, think. Even if it's just for a minute. Don't just spew your half-baked thoughts on here. If it starts to hurt because you're out of practice with it, take a couple asprin and a nap. Then, come back and give it another go. If your headache still doesn't go away, consult a physician before replying.

[Gunny_2862]

Wow micheap, sometimes I wonder about your posts. First off, I haven't seen one marine in my past 17 years go suicidal by becoming a fatbody. Most just don't care and give up on maintaing standards and watching their diet. Some of the others get injured and in turn, can't train until healed or don't train at all when they can on a limited basis, as well as watch thier diet when unable to perform at 100%.

That being said, PT'ing a marine 2-3 a day (or anyone for that matter) is acceptable and recovery ability is not the issue. Ensuring a proper PT schedule is set up as well as a diet plan and starting off slow for those out of shape is key. I ran a similar program as a Sgt when I was in 3rd AABN for our BCP marines and within 2 months, all but one was off. Everyone was more than 20+ pounds over, the largest was 43lbs and he lost all his during that timeframe.

My PT schedule was a cardio beast which I also ran with them. We'd run 2-4 miles in morning (I'd alternate long slow runs with sprints) and do about 30-40 minutes of exercises. At noon, I'd take them to them gym where I signed them up for a aerobics class which lasted an hour (that part I hated doing, it was hard). In the evening, about an hour after chow, we'd go to the gym again and lift very light weights with high reps for about an hour. I also accompanied these marines to the chow hall to watch them eat and ensure they conformed to their diet. See, I took them to a professional on base who set each of them up with a diet for them basically teaching them how to plan their meals for themselves and how we PT'd at the time.

Needless to say, you are way off on your assesment on this micheap, way off.

[ArmyBrave1]

Give him this website. He can read the blog and look at the products.

Pretty soon, he will realize he needs to get physically fit and squared away for himself on his own of course with some help but he really needs to motivate himself.

http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/

[Michaep]

Originally Posted by Gunny_2862

Wow micheap, sometimes I wonder about your posts. First off, I haven't seen one marine in my past 17 years go suicidal by becoming a fatbody. Most just don't care and give up on maintaing standards and watching their diet. Some of the others get injured and in turn, can't train until healed or don't train at all when they can on a limited basis, as well as watch thier diet when unable to perform at 100%.

That being said, PT'ing a marine 2-3 a day (or anyone for that matter) is acceptable and recovery ability is not the issue. Ensuring a proper PT schedule is set up as well as a diet plan and starting off slow for those out of shape is key. I ran a similar program as a Sgt when I was in 3rd AABN for our BCP marines and within 2 months, all but one was off. Everyone was more than 20+ pounds over, the largest was 43lbs and he lost all his during that timeframe.

My PT schedule was a cardio beast which I also ran with them. We'd run 2-4 miles in morning (I'd alternate long slow runs with sprints) and do about 30-40 minutes of exercises. At noon, I'd take them to them gym where I signed them up for a aerobics class which lasted an hour (that part I hated doing, it was hard). In the evening, about an hour after chow, we'd go to the gym again and lift very light weights with high reps for about an hour. I also accompanied these marines to the chow hall to watch them eat and ensure they conformed to their diet. See, I took them to a professional on base who set each of them up with a diet for them basically teaching them how to plan their meals for themselves and how we PT'd at the time.

Needless to say, you are way off on your assesment on this micheap, way off.

1) suddenly or completely stop caring about your job and appearance can be a suicidal sign

2) PT 3 times per day, on a daily basis IS NOT HEALTHY, the human body NEEDS recovery time

3) The stories ive heard about how intensely your fellow Marines are babysat is pretty crazy....You seriously take time out to physically watch him pick out food and eat it? Do you not have a life of your own?

We're in the US Military, I would never baby one of my troops, not ever. If there was a dormitory inspection occurring in the next few days then my troops would know to clean their sh*t up and make it up to par.

If theres a recall and everybody needs to show up on their off duty time with all required gear then my troops would know that they NEEDED all required gear.

The AF doesnt need to babysit their guys, they know what to do, and if they dont follow through then they get ripped...simple as that

Id go absolutely insane if my supervisor watched me like a hawk 24/7/365. Acted like an overbearing mother with my food intake, with my room, and how I set up my gear

Please...Give your Marines some personal SPACE

[msslaughter]

It cant be all fluffy teddy bears and rainbows in this world

[CplVelociraptor]

Michaep,

Your response covered a lot of things that weren't even included in the original post or any of the posts after it. In the response to Gunny_2862, we're talking about an established BCP program.

While Airmen may feel differently, Marines embrace leadership and look for guidance when they're in trouble. Rather than leaving Marines on their own, a little tough love is applied. While some may be hesitant initially, when they see the amount of progress they are making by being forced to get more out of themselves, and get out of the so-called "comfort zone", they are very pleased with the results.

When it comes to baby-sitting in other areas, we do what is necessary to ensure the mission is completed. There are leaders who don't know how to do this...or are over-zealous, and it varies depending on your rank and your command, but I'd rather have more micro-managing from a few poor leaders, than no leadership at all from anyone. If every Airman is so wise in each of their decisions that they need no further direction, then good for them, but our mission is a little different as well as our personnel. However, babysitting to the point which you are talking about here does not occur beyond the schoolhouse, unless a Marine is particularly off in left field.

As for PTing three times a day being TOTALLY AND UTTERLY DEADLY, I would have to disagree. If you ran 6 miles three times a day, and were not a professional athlete, then yes, I would agree, but running a couple of miles in the morning, doing aerobics in the afternoon, and lifting weights in the evening, along with the proper diet, sounds like a way to make yourself fit as a fiddle. That sounds like about three hours of training a day, which is completely reasonable. Running long distances everyday is unhealthy, but alternating your cardiovascular training won't effect you negatively.

If there is anyone or thing that needs personal space, it is a Marine to Marine discussion being ranted on by what seems to be an Air Force service member who has more experience with Marines then we do.

[Combat correspondent]

Michaep,

1st of all, let me state that I completely disagree with you. Secondly, what you are missing in your argument is credibiilty. Regardless of your branch of service, if you were a chaplain or mental health professional, people may take your argument more seriously. But, you are not. In fact, you are quite the opposite. You frequently claim to be a hardcore killer in some posts and a loving, caring, hugging big brother in others - which is it and don't tell me both because that's just crap.

Since you won't stop coming on her and telling Marines how to deal with Marine problems, I will attempt to put this in language you may be able to relate to....read my next post.

[Combat correspondent]

When I was at Kadena, I had 2 nasty Airmen (yes, I said Airmen). These Airmen had very poor hygeine, long hair, filthy teeth, stinky cammies, unshined boots, the whole 9 yards. Their supervisor tried all the normal AF ways to deal with them and they wouldn't get better. He came to me for help. So, I helped.

One Saturday morning at 0600 I threw on swim trunks, packed up a bag of hygiene items and headed over to their barracks. Now, I had plans w/ the family and I know you told Gunny he needed a life. I too had a life but this needed to be dealt w/ now! My wife was upset (she married the Marine me and stuck w/ me throught the lat move to AF, etc.) and told me she thought I left this crap behind - but service is service.

So, that Saturday we had a shower class. I showed them how to lather their hair, wash their bodies, etc., as was very sarcastic the whole time. When they got shit-eating grins on their faces, blew them up for it! Then, came back the next morning at 0600 and did it all over again. Showers, brushed teeth, cut hair, ironed cammies, shined boots, clipped nails, etc., etc. This a very degrading weekend for these 2 turds and they didn't want it to happen again so they got their crap together.

Pretty cut and dry.

Yeah, poor hygeine indicates low self esteem and they could have been suicidal....don't really know. But, I know hugging would not help them, nor would kind words. These nasties needed an early rise and degrading day to wake up. Sometimes thats life Michaep.

BTW, niether are dead and are both pretty squared away NCOs now - I'm just saying.