Five years ago, only three states allowed military spouses to transfer their professional licenses when their families moved. As of this week, all 50 now accept them.

This milestone is the culmination of four years of lobbying work by officials at Joining Forces, lead by fFirst lLady Michelle Obama and Dr. Jill Biden. The White House initiative has a stated goal of creating connections between the American public and the military, and identifying challenges facing those families.

In an exclusive interview with Military Times, Obama said Joining Forces early on realized credentialing and licensing issues were critical fixes to advance those goals.

"To continue their careers, these spouses had to pay hefty fees or take burdensome classes to get a new license in each new state they moved to," she said in an email exchange. "Our military families already sacrifice so much on our behalf, and to ask them to sacrifice their livelihood as well was absolutely unacceptable."

With New York officials signing off Friday as the 50th state to allow military spouses, the first lady offered her thoughts on the work so far and what's still left undone:

Military Times: Why do you think it took five years to reach this goal? Is that a sign of how difficult it is to address these issues, or more a reflection on how little many Americans know about the challenges facing military families?

Michelle Obama: From the very beginning, we knew that addressing this issue wouldn't be easy, and success wouldn't come quickly. Licensing rules are established by the statutes of 50 states, and by rules created by approximately 50 boards and regulatory agencies in each state.

So we had to go state by state, working with governors, state legislatures, and other officials to help them understand the dynamics of military life and how their boards' licensing processes may not leave sufficient time for a military spouse to obtain a license, find a job, and progress in a career during a multi-year tour of duty.

Ultimately, this is really what Joining Forces is all about: It's about educating people about the challenges our service members, veterans and military families face; the sacrifices they make; and their extraordinary service to our country. And it's about asking people to step up and give something back.

MT: Have you heard from families about how the new spousal licensing agreements have affected their lives? Are we already seeing this have an impact on spouses trying to find new jobs or keep their current careers growing?

MO: So many spouses are already taking advantage of the new agreements and reporting that they're encountering much less red tape and bureaucracy and that the process is much easier than it used to be.

Take the example of Katherine Goyette, a lawyer whose husband is a first lieutenant in the Army. Last year, Katherine moved from Kansas to join her husband at his duty station in Colorado. A few years ago, Katherine would have been facing a hefty bar application fee and months of preparation for yet another bar exam. She likely would've had to cut back her hours or quit her job entirely to have time to study.

Thankfully, much to Katherine's relief, Colorado adopted new law licensure rules for military spouses: no exams required!

So this is great progress. But of course, even though all 50 states have addressed this issue in some way, we know that there are still plenty of gaps and challenges that we need to work on, so as far as I'm concerned, our work here definitely isn't finished.

MT: How varied are the rules from state to state, and is there still room for improvement even within the policies already adopted?

MO: Each state is unique, and the policies they’ve adopted reflect that. For more background on the new rules in each state, you can visit the USA4 Military Families website.

But of course, there's always room for states to do even more on this issue, from enlisting employers to come up with creative solutions to offering temporary or expedited licenses to spouses.

And as we get feedback about how the new policies are working and where they're falling short, and we hear about additional challenges, we'll have more work to do to address those issues.

MT: What's next? With this milestone reached, what's the biggest challenge facing troops and their families when it comes to employment issues?

MO: When it comes to spousal licensing, we still have a lot of work to do for teachers and educators, whose licenses and certifications are particularly complicated and specialized. Some states have already taken important steps, but we need to do even more to ensure that these folks can get back in a classroom after a move without facing so many costs and barriers.

But there's always more work to be done on military spouse and veteran employment. We recently reached the milestone of more than 1.2 million veterans and military spouses hired or trained, which was huge and shows that employers across the country have realized that hiring veterans and military spouses isn't just the right thing to do, it's the smart thing to do for their businesses.

I've always said that our vets and spouses are some of the most highly-skilled, highly-trained, highly motivated and talented employees you can find, and employers nationwide clearly agree.

And while, over the past five years, the veterans' unemployment rate has been cut in half, as far as I'm concerned, if just one veteran or military spouse who wants a job can't find one, that's one too many.

Our military is an all-volunteer force, and we need to show our young people that serving in the military allows you to have a great career, both in and out of uniform.

We need even more employers to step up and hire our veterans, and we need companies to provide more flexible work environments so that military spouses who are moving every few years can keep moving up the career ladder.

So we're going to keep pushing, and talking to CEOs, because we still have plenty of work left to do on this issue.

MT: Joining Forces just celebrated its five-year anniversary. Do you feel like the country has a better understanding of the sacrifices and challenges facing military families now? Is that small percentage of families who served in the wars still struggling to really connect with their communities?

MO: I do think that the landscape has changed significantly over the past five years. We've seen so many partners — businesses, non-profits, hospitals, universities, celebrities, teachers, neighbors, and others — all across this country step up to recognize the service and sacrifice of our service members, veterans, and families.

When we ask folks to be part of Joining Forces, no one ever really says no, because once they learn about what our men and women in uniform and their families do for our country, they're eager to give back.

I hope that our military community can feel this support, because so many people are so proud of them — and so grateful to them — and want to serve them as well as they've served this country.

And as we celebrate July Fourth this year, we all need to recommit ourselves to doing everything we can to honor the extraordinary service members, veterans, and military families who defend our freedom and keep us safe.

Leo Shane III covers Congress, Veterans Affairs and the White House for Military Times. He can be reached at

Leo covers Congress, Veterans Affairs and the White House for Military Times. He has covered Washington, D.C. since 2004, focusing on military personnel and veterans policies. His work has earned numerous honors, including a 2009 Polk award, a 2010 National Headliner Award, the IAVA Leadership in Journalism award and the VFW News Media award.

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